tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8962953796548669279.post2759436172461314858..comments2023-06-17T18:52:16.698-07:00Comments on ExploringSecondandThirdTier: A Spectrum of Online Community Interactions"Amplifying Divine Light in All" Churchhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14879359445645380055noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8962953796548669279.post-10379518051186727462018-10-22T00:10:46.861-07:002018-10-22T00:10:46.861-07:00What richness that shines light of what is there a...What richness that shines light of what is there and not... thanks <br />Love Anne-Marie Anne-Marie Voorhoevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00986587923842847658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8962953796548669279.post-9326255581828833612012-08-20T09:25:43.353-07:002012-08-20T09:25:43.353-07:00I see Blue in the solid walls of the container, pr...I see Blue in the solid walls of the container, provided by the immuable constraints of any particular software and hardware platforms. Without them no communication, collaboration, and community would be possible online.<br /><br />Regarding social structures, they are more malleable and meme-specific. Blue, Orange, Green, Yellow, and Turquoise social structures would all look very different.Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00201318170294975699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8962953796548669279.post-5079310334047022212012-08-20T09:13:19.751-07:002012-08-20T09:13:19.751-07:00Further to your essay and George's reply, I am...Further to your essay and George's reply, I am left with a question in support of creating the conditions for maturation: <br /><br />What is the minimal critical structure needed to allow maturation in this new, emerging world? <br /><br />I wonder how much BLUE is needed, how BLUE is recalibrating and needs to recalibrate, to meet the social holon's needs in emerging online communities. BLUE structure can take the form of process used in our communities, but also the very software and hardware we need for meeting well virtually. What structures do our on-line spaces need to take to support maturation?<br /><br />Something new is coming to support us. Not sure what it is yet. :)<br /> Beth Sandershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00102611379988551601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8962953796548669279.post-31618547462245536282012-08-19T13:14:05.817-07:002012-08-19T13:14:05.817-07:00Thank you Alia for this useful approximation of me...Thank you Alia for this useful approximation of memetic evolution in online communities. Just a couple of observations:<br /><br />Given that the "color" of social holons is defined by the memetic altitude of group that hold the dominant discourse, and interesting dynamics can take place, where within that group the intellectual development of organizers reached second tier but their social-emotional development (from which the actual decisions are made) is stuck in the first. I guess that's when the "lip service to a particular stage" occurs that we saw in so many online communities. <br /><br />That becomes unhealthy when groups of participants want to self-organize according to shared (Green) interests and are held back by controlling (Orange) structures.<br /><br />The shift from Green to Yellow is moving beyond fear and ego. It's more than what you wrote: "There is less differentiation between staff/teachers and participants. Culture is 'enforced' by peer 'pressure' as well as the previous methods. There is deeper personal connection, broad-based (not just mutual-interest-based) friendships form, significant and ongoing collaborations that go into real-time real-space emerge, mutual support and networking emerge."<br /><br />I think those qualities are present already in healthy Green. The organizers upshift from enabling only that when they need for tangible results and functionality that supports evolutionary development, beyond the interest of their organization.<br /><br />I found your description of Yellow communities lacking such functions as:<br /><br />• Online facilities that support big-picture views of the whole system-in-focus of the community<br />• Multiple integrative structures, navigation paths and holoptically visible trust and value flows<br /><br />I wouldn't try to correlate memetic stages with technological sophistication because online communities run internally by highly controlling organizations can more sophisticated tool-wise than most of the Green social networks.<br /><br />Finally, I don't know any real-world example of Turquoise community facilitation/hosting/organizing and I'm unsure how anything beyond would look like. Yes, we can extrapolate from the general SDi development lines but then we risk to loose the specifics that is the strength of your essay: the evolution of the work of online community organizing. Even extending the scope to community development (vs the development of the organizing work) is questionable, from my perspective. I mean we may gain more actionable knowledge if we keep the focus on the evolution of the staff and causes upshift from one stage to another.<br /><br />Having said all that, I just want to express one more time, how much I appreciate your pioneering effort. I hope that there are integrally-informed online event/community organizers, who will engage with your thoughts.Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00201318170294975699noreply@blogger.com